Bitorko cholte dao naiba korle sondhi...

[sreyashi]

Bharotborshe songrokkhon niye tumul bitorko cholchhe---
songrokkhon kotota joruri amader deshe, ei prosonge ki
bhabchhe sobai ---- apnader bohuswarik motamoter opekkha thaklo--

[kashibhatta]

sangrakshan, bhimruler chaake dhil maarlen je sreyasi!
sparshokaator bishoy.
kono maanushke ajothaa chhoto bhaabte shikhini. sangrakshon ki taai shekhaay naa? notun barnaashrom tairi kore naa? kaaro janmer opor-i taar nijer jakhon haat thaake naa, ebhaabe keno shrenee bibhaag, bujhte kasto hoto, ekhono je hoy naa, asweekaar korbo naa.
tabe, sei mondal commission-e biruddhe mark sheet poraate jaaoyaa-r din bigato. dekhi aajker tarun turkeeraa kee bolen, aabaar naa hoy likhbo pore!:focus:

[niladribagchi]

Sreyashi di tomar topicta khub important bisoyk highlight koreche.Amar mote reservation is a stigma of our society.Dr. Ambedkarer pronito sangbidhane sangrakhaner byaparti thakleo ta chilo nehati ekta samikhya mulok stage.Eivabe manushk bisesh kore pichoner borger manushk samne tule anbar ekta prochesta.Tobe ei prochestati ajker dine jat-pater rajnitite somosto doler kachei prodhan ekto ostro.
Ajker dine reservation nischoi chai kintu ta jat-patee opor base kore noy sudhu manusher orthonoitik obosthar opor vitti kore se brahman na baisya seta jeno mul byapar na hoe othe.R sei reservation-o sudu class 10 obdhi.Tarpor mane ucho sikhyay meriter vittite je manush stand korbe kintu orthonoitik vabe se durbol take orthonoitik vabe help kora hok but sanrakhan noy.

[sreyaghose]

aamaader doinandine sab jaayagaay ei jaati bhed , saampradaayikataa .
galaay ekaTaa suto paraar adhikaare eeshbarer agent haye base aachhen ekdal . chaal kalaar pu`nTali tule dichchhi taader haate . daamee upahaar niye haajir hachchhi upanayaner anushhThaane. chheler biyer janye paatreer sandhaan karab jaat miliye . naamer pechhane padabeer lejurh raakhate bhulab naa. sakaal theke raat abdi ei " jaater naame bajjaatir " guNa kirttan geye Jaab .
shudhu Jakhan dekhab kaauke ekaTukhaani subidhe deoyaa hachchhe takhan sa`mraxaNer biruddhe galaa phaaTaab !

" saabaash , baahaadur , marader dal -
ei to chaai ...... "

sreya .

[agang]

Originally Posted by niladribagchi

Sreyashi di tomar topicta khub important bisoyk highlight koreche.Amar mote reservation is a stigma of our society.Dr. Ambedkarer pronito sangbidhane sangrakhaner byaparti thakleo ta chilo nehati ekta samikhya mulok stage.Eivabe manushk bisesh kore pichoner borger manushk samne tule anbar ekta prochesta.Tobe ei prochestati ajker dine jat-pater rajnitite somosto doler kachei prodhan ekto ostro.
Ajker dine reservation nischoi chai kintu ta jat-patee opor base kore noy sudhu manusher orthonoitik obosthar opor vitti kore se brahman na baisya seta jeno mul byapar na hoe othe.R sei reservation-o sudu class 10 obdhi.Tarpor mane ucho sikhyay meriter vittite je manush stand korbe kintu orthonoitik vabe se durbol take orthonoitik vabe help kora hok but sanrakhan noy.

@niladri

1 jekhane sangrakshan nei, jemon private sector, media, sekhane onogrosar manushder khuNje paoa jay na keno

2 merit bolte ki bojhho

3 caste based reservation versus economic status based reservation - eta to purono bitarka. bhebe dekho reservation for women, for minorities, for physically challenged konotai kintu economic status based noi....tai byapartaa oto sohoj noi

anirban

[sreyashi]

galaay ekaTaa suto paraar adhikaare eeshbarer agent haye base aachhen ekdal . chaal kalaar pu`nTali tule dichchhi taader haate . daamee upahaar niye haajir hachchhi upanayaner anushhThaane. chheler biyer janye paatreer sandhaan karab jaat miliye . naamer pechhane padabeer lejurh raakhate bhulab naa. sakaal theke raat abdi ei " jaater naame bajjaatir " guNa kirttan geye Jaab .

'' keno na tumi to pheTe porchho na rage
ekhono tomar bhondami bhalo lage.
..............................................
keno na tumi to ichchhe korei onddho
cheyechho bolei tomar du-kan bondho.''

shudhu Jakhan dekhab kaauke ekaTukhaani subidhe deoyaa hachchhe takhan sa`mraxaNer biruddhe galaa phaaTaab !

'' Tornado keno somoy bujheo shreni socheton eto
bhangle prasad bidroho bola jeto''

[niladribagchi]

Originally Posted by agang

1 jekhane sangrakshan nei, jemon private sector, media, sekhane onogrosar manushder khuNje paoa jay na keno

2 merit bolte ki bojhho

3 caste based reservation versus economic status based reservation - eta to purono bitarka. bhebe dekho reservation for women, for minorities, for physically challenged konotai kintu economic status based noi....tai byapartaa oto sohoj noi

Bondhu
Apni je sob sector bolchen sekhaneo bivinyo srenir manush achen,tai tander khuje paoa jayna bolata vul,sekhane jara jogyo tanra sujog pan sreni-mot nirbisese,ami kokhono sunini title dekhe private sectore interview hoy.

Minority kake bole? R jara satty minority tara ki sujog pache?emon hoche nato minorityr name kichu subidhabadi,poisaowala(mey be minorityr khatay seo nathivukto) ro borolok hoche.

Ami ei topice sudu ekta kothai bolbo reservation die pichoner rasta die noy samne theke sobai sobar mokabila koruk.Ami financial backworder jonye help korak support kori,kintu sankhyalaghu,guru r manuser maje borno ved kore reservation support kori na.Er mane ei holo je abar amra sei pichonei hatchi.

Merit bolte manuser chetona satya o budhi satyak ekotre bolchi,apni bolte paren minorityra ba pichiye manush jodi sujogi na pay tobe tar merit dekhabe ki kore?tobe boli jodi ekti purohiter santan (jar rojgar oti samanya) seo to sujog pache na.Tahole tar kotha ki vabchen?
Tobe physically challanged,millitary onader reservation thaka uchit.ami mahila-sangrakhyanero bipokhye.tara physically challanged non r ritimoto sustho,sabal.
R ajo grume-sahartolite pon protha cholche,perechen atkate?r meyeder satru ajker dine meyerai.(chelerao tobe bodhu hatyaya sasurio kintu thaken).Tai mahila -sangrakhyaneo meyeder lav hobe na sekhaneo subidhabadira ese sudu er sujog nebe.

[aloke]

niladri ,reservation ..its based on various aspects like Gender, Caste, Religion and State of Domicile ,etc . Are you aware of all of them ? so why only targeting the Caste based ? The thought behind of reservation that the under-representation of the identifiable groups is a legacy of the Indian caste system and to to increase the social diversity in various section.

How may times you have called a ST /SC as "Sonar Tukro / Sonar Chand" ?. this is the main factor. The reservation came into the action mainly after India got independence . But the oppression and hate to the so called lower caste has a deep root in our system and we , the so called upper caste have to payback this now to them to undo and counter the 'evils' of centuries of caste system that prevailed in the country that we happily followed and practiced.

And also you talked about the financially backwards, as you know we have something called BPL system working . Do you think that its really working ok ?

I can have a BPL certificate for few hundred bucks anytime and can have special privileges as govt hospitals and other places . So do you still think that its the one of the way ?? How you will define all this factors ?

And on merit , it is defined today is something that is achieved with the help of cramming, costly tutoring, constant guidance, quality schooling and knowledge of English and poor Dalits and backwards lack most of these. Whatever the reason m but this is fact. Since centuries , the upper castes barred them to have proper education and having all the facilities so i think they must have some advantages , may be in terms of reservation or whatever else .

[kolkata]

i fairly agree with all who feels that for centuries there has been injustice belted out to people in the name of cast ,creed,relegion and scores of other such idiosyncrasies.i dont mind if women are given 30%reservation in social sector,if backward classes are provided reservation ,wether relegious minorities are given an added advantage that is well due for them.......but the real irony of the whole story of reservation is that...what cause it is serving....it has been in place for long ,but for me i dont think there are any noticeable changes that this reservation system has made to the social sector or for that matter in other sectors also......i feel the reason purely lies in the very fact that rather than a mode of bringing in social equlity its more of an medium of vote bank politics...u would like to keep the dalit vote bank under your wrap ...so give them reservation,none of the political forces ever tried to bring them up the social lader,rather they are interested to get their votes for lieu of reservation pretty much like nonliq cash.so unless these total perspective changes there will be no way the inequalities can be drained out from our society.at the most what it can do is bring out more internal feud among ourselves(meenas fighting gujjars,ranvir sena vying for the blood of so called lower caste masses and viceversa)
secondly aloke i do agree with you that costly coaching ,constant guidance,english communication and other factors are more determining factor than raw merit that separates the so called upper caste from the dalits(save a few).but the very notion of giving backward classes, reservation in higher level of education and doing nothing in the primary level would do no good...its seem clearly a super political ploy rather than a measure to really help out people....higher level academics,premier colleges remains in the midst and mind of public mind...so go for that...bravo indian politicians...if only they could channelize their super wit to some other avenues.....
at the end i clearly feel reservation is needed(as has been conjectured in famous fifty meter rule) ,but definitely not in the way its happening over in india.

[subhopam]

reservation niye aneke anek kotha bolechhen.dr.ambedkarer tairi constitution e reservation niye ki lekha chhilo ei bishoye theoretical knowledge amar bishesh nei.kintu chokher samne jeta dekhi seta thkei bolte pari reservation means creating divisions in the society.keu jodi sotti bhebe thaken je dirgho hazar bochhorer indiar ei practicetake(bornashram protha)paltate hobe tale prothom jeta jorruri seta hochhe dhormo byapartake tule dite hobe.manusher mone ekta cultural revolution ante hobe.atyachari r atyachariter modhye bibhed ta dur korte hobe.for the past 50 yrs the quota system has been in the place.kintu erjonye change ta ki hoechhe?ekhono medinipure,andhrapradeshe chashira na khete peye mara jai.jara khetei paina tader chhelera tertiary level e (after the 12th standard)reservation niye ki korbe?tader chhelera hoi tar agei na khete peye mara jai nahole class 8 drop-out at most.to taderke age ei tertiary level obdi ashte dite hobe.srjonyo financial help proyojon.taderke ro anyan so-called upper class der songe eki jaigai ante hobe.tarpor purotai meriter upor chhere dewa uchit.ami to biswas korte parina AIMS,IIT,IISC,IIM's ei institute gulote ekta chhele just OBC,SC BA ST bole chance pelo jodio tar cheye jogyo anek chhele chance pelo na.r pls jodi karur kachhe information thake to janaben ei 50 bochhore kota chasir chhele iit theke engg hoye beriyechhe r kota tar agei drop -out othoba na khete peye mara gechhe.ei ratiota pls parle keu janaben.
abar economically class divide koaratao indiai khubi chaaper.karon eto corruption.keu chailei BPL certificate bar kore nite pare.eta sotti.tar jonyei to amader dorkar amul poribortan.ekta field e noi.soob jaigai.we need to revolutionize the whole system.socialism is the only way forward.evry other step will take india backward .so comrades come forward .jodi keu r kono upay bolte paren tale swagoto.amar etai mone hoi.